Time-frequency PSD with CWT (morlet wavelet) in a single trial

Hi all,
I work on EEG data in behavioral field. I understand the basics of signal
processing and I?m not so bad in Python. But for a beginner like me,
MNE-Python is pretty huge. I was advised to use MNE knowing my constraints,
but I?m starting to think that it?s maybe too evolved for a non-expert
scientist in this field like me.

I?m just trying to draw a time-frequency PSD from a single trial with a CWT
(with morlet wavelets). I thought to have found what functions used, but in
testing my script, I don?t obtain correct result.

In fact, I tested with a simple sinusoid function with a frequency of 10Hz
on 1sec (1000points). I expected to see a lot of "red blobs" aligned on the
10Hz in y-axis but not. I have a continuous and very thin band around 1.5
Hz and a residual band around the 90Hz. I looked the wavelets and it seems
fine. What is strange is that I see the correct number of blob, so I think
it?s not so far of correct result. In first, I thought of a problem in
adjusting my display, but it seems not.

I use mainly the function _time_frequency(data, Ws), one of the functions
in tfr.py in mne.time_frequency where data is a 2D-array containing only my
signal in data[0].

I read this link:
http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/stats/plot_cluster_1samp_test_time_frequency.html,
but as I don?t use data with the standard format, it seemed to me
complicated. Moreover, I think that _time_frequency(data, Ws) is just
needed to do what I want. And yet, maybe that the specificities of the
function single_trial_power in tfr.py is the solution?

Thanks in advance
Arnaud
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Hi Arno,

let my reply inline,

Hi all,
I work on EEG data in behavioral field. I understand the basics of signal
processing and I?m not so bad in Python. But for a beginner like me,
MNE-Python is pretty huge. I was advised to use MNE knowing my constraints,
but I?m starting to think that it?s maybe too evolved for a non-expert
scientist in this field like me.

I?m just trying to draw a time-frequency PSD from a single trial with a

CWT (with morlet wavelets). I thought to have found what functions used,
but in testing my script, I don?t obtain correct result.

In fact, I tested with a simple sinusoid function with a frequency of 10Hz
on 1sec (1000points). I expected to see a lot of "red blobs" aligned on the
10Hz in y-axis but not. I have a continuous and very thin band around 1.5
Hz and a residual band around the 90Hz. I looked the wavelets and it seems
fine. What is strange is that I see the correct number of blob, so I think
it?s not so far of correct result. In first, I thought of a problem in
adjusting my display, but it seems not.

Could you share an example script, e.g. using https://gist.github.com/
That would be very helpful.

I use mainly the function _time_frequency(data, Ws), one of the functions
in tfr.py in mne.time_frequency where data is a 2D-array containing only my
signal in data[0].

I read this link:
http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/stats/plot_cluster_1samp_test_time_frequency.html,
but as I don?t use data with the standard format, it seemed to me
complicated. Moreover, I think that _time_frequency(data, Ws) is just
needed to do what I want. And yet, maybe that the specificities of the
function single_trial_power in tfr.py is the solution?

In fact `single_trial_power` would be the way to go. (
http://martinos.org/mne/dev/generated/mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power.html#mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power
)
In general it's not recommended not use functions starting with underscores
unless you know exactly what you do. Things are much easier once you use
the top-level API. Is your file format that prevents you from doing this?
What kind of EEG data do you use? We're currently working on improving
support for custom data:

Please feel free to participate in the discussion on Github and tell us
more about your use case.

Thanks in advance
Arnaud

I hope we can encourage you to keep exploring the new terrain :wink:

Denis

Hi Denis,
Thanks for the fast reply.

Yes I can share my test. Here: https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11206945.

Ok, I will try to use single_trial_power() function now.

For the GUI, unfortunately, I must develop a ?biologists-friendly?
software. In consequence (and with others constraints), I must develop on
Windows and the GUI doesn?t work on Windows if I have correctly understood.

For my file format, I have already develop my own functions to parse the
original data (my goal: adapt raw signal to can use just the useful data).
This format can be ?CED Spike2 SMR files? or an alternative in TXT from
Local Field Potential acquisition. So, I store the data of a single trial
in a dictionary, then in a pickle file (maybe not a good idea?). I do this
certainly with my personal way. For these reasons, I tried to adapt the
MNE-Python script to read my data. It seems not far yet! But I don?t know
if I can really add idea in your conversation due to these specific data.

Anyway, it seems that MNE contains all the tools what we need here. It?s
very encouraging yeah. But, I think we need time to know to use these tools.

Arnaud

2014-04-19 12:34 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arno,

let my reply inline,

Hi all,
I work on EEG data in behavioral field. I understand the basics of signal
processing and I?m not so bad in Python. But for a beginner like me,
MNE-Python is pretty huge. I was advised to use MNE knowing my constraints,
but I?m starting to think that it?s maybe too evolved for a non-expert
scientist in this field like me.

I?m just trying to draw a time-frequency PSD from a single trial with a

CWT (with morlet wavelets). I thought to have found what functions used,
but in testing my script, I don?t obtain correct result.

In fact, I tested with a simple sinusoid function with a frequency of
10Hz on 1sec (1000points). I expected to see a lot of "red blobs" aligned
on the 10Hz in y-axis but not. I have a continuous and very thin band
around 1.5 Hz and a residual band around the 90Hz. I looked the wavelets
and it seems fine. What is strange is that I see the correct number of
blob, so I think it?s not so far of correct result. In first, I thought of
a problem in adjusting my display, but it seems not.

Could you share an example script, e.g. using https://gist.github.com/
That would be very helpful.

I use mainly the function _time_frequency(data, Ws), one of the functions
in tfr.py in mne.time_frequency where data is a 2D-array containing only my
signal in data[0].

I read this link:
http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/stats/plot_cluster_1samp_test_time_frequency.html,
but as I don?t use data with the standard format, it seemed to me
complicated. Moreover, I think that _time_frequency(data, Ws) is just
needed to do what I want. And yet, maybe that the specificities of the
function single_trial_power in tfr.py is the solution?

In fact `single_trial_power` would be the way to go. (
http://martinos.org/mne/dev/generated/mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power.html#mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power
)
In general it's not recommended not use functions starting with
underscores unless you know exactly what you do. Things are much easier
once you use the top-level API. Is your file format that prevents you from
doing this? What kind of EEG data do you use? We're currently working on
improving support for custom data:

ENH. default_info function · Issue #1229 · mne-tools/mne-python · GitHub

Please feel free to participate in the discussion on Github and tell us
more about your use case.

Thanks in advance
Arnaud

I hope we can encourage you to keep exploring the new terrain :wink:

Denis

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Hi Arnaud,

Hi Denis,
Thanks for the fast reply.

Yes I can share my test. Here:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11206945.

Thanks, will have a look later.

Ok, I will try to use single_trial_power() function now.

For the GUI, unfortunately, I must develop a ?biologists-friendly?
software. In consequence (and with others constraints), I must develop on
Windows and the GUI doesn?t work on Windows if I have correctly understood.

Which GUI? The MNE C GUI indeed compile on Windows. However,
`mne.gui.coregistration` in Python is supposed to work on Windows.

For my file format, I have already develop my own functions to parse the
original data (my goal: adapt raw signal to can use just the useful data).
This format can be ?CED Spike2 SMR files? or an alternative in TXT from
Local Field Potential acquisition. So, I store the data of a single trial
in a dictionary, then in a pickle file (maybe not a good idea?).

I agree. I would strongly encourage you to write a custom constructor
function that returns a Raw object from your data. We're happy assist you
with that Also it would be a great test case for new tools we're about to
develop that aim at making exactly this task easier. In fact I need to
write a couple of functions very soon that allow me to read in data stored
in Mat files. Sounds like that would follow the same logic.

I do this certainly with my personal way. For these reasons, I tried to
adapt the MNE-Python script to read my data. It seems not far yet! But I
don?t know if I can really add idea in your conversation due to these
specific data.

I think you can. See above. Also we're happy to add support to additional
EEG / electrophysiology formats.

Anyway, it seems that MNE contains all the tools what we need here. It?s

very encouraging yeah. But, I think we need time to know to use these tools.

Arnaud

FYI something I'm working on at the moment that might also be of interest
to you:

https://github.com/mne-tools/mne-python/pull/1233

Best,
Denis

2014-04-19 12:34 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arno,

let my reply inline,

Hi all,
I work on EEG data in behavioral field. I understand the basics of
signal processing and I?m not so bad in Python. But for a beginner like me,
MNE-Python is pretty huge. I was advised to use MNE knowing my constraints,
but I?m starting to think that it?s maybe too evolved for a non-expert
scientist in this field like me.

I?m just trying to draw a time-frequency PSD from a single trial with a

CWT (with morlet wavelets). I thought to have found what functions used,
but in testing my script, I don?t obtain correct result.

In fact, I tested with a simple sinusoid function with a frequency of
10Hz on 1sec (1000points). I expected to see a lot of "red blobs" aligned
on the 10Hz in y-axis but not. I have a continuous and very thin band
around 1.5 Hz and a residual band around the 90Hz. I looked the wavelets
and it seems fine. What is strange is that I see the correct number of
blob, so I think it?s not so far of correct result. In first, I thought of
a problem in adjusting my display, but it seems not.

Could you share an example script, e.g. using https://gist.github.com/
That would be very helpful.

I use mainly the function _time_frequency(data, Ws), one of the
functions in tfr.py in mne.time_frequency where data is a 2D-array
containing only my signal in data[0].

I read this link:
http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/stats/plot_cluster_1samp_test_time_frequency.html,
but as I don?t use data with the standard format, it seemed to me
complicated. Moreover, I think that _time_frequency(data, Ws) is just
needed to do what I want. And yet, maybe that the specificities of the
function single_trial_power in tfr.py is the solution?

In fact `single_trial_power` would be the way to go. (
http://martinos.org/mne/dev/generated/mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power.html#mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power
)
In general it's not recommended not use functions starting with
underscores unless you know exactly what you do. Things are much easier
once you use the top-level API. Is your file format that prevents you from
doing this? What kind of EEG data do you use? We're currently working on
improving support for custom data:

https://github.com/mne-tools/mne-python/issues/1229

Please feel free to participate in the discussion on Github and tell us
more about your use case.

Thanks in advance
Arnaud

I hope we can encourage you to keep exploring the new terrain :wink:

Denis

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Hi Denis,

I have tested with single_trial_power() but I obtain exactly the same
results that my use with _time_frequency(). Here is my code:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11215335. I don?t understand what the
problem is. With a sinusoid, I must have a band of high power around the
fundamental frequency of the sinusoid, right?

For the GUI, I don?t find documentation on the use with Windows. But ok, I
must compile the sources with the makefile. It?s been a long time that I
didn?t play with C! But I will try (I believe that I must download the
software Make to begin). But in fact, I don?t know why I spoke of GUI,
sorry. I think that I thought at a possibility to play with data directly
with a GUI in the way that I want.

I?m not sure to understand what you name ?Raw object?. Is it the name of an
existing object from MNE? But, with the knowledge of this object, I can
write a function which return this directly. My problem is that I?m not an
expert on the data and her format. But if it?s substantially a problem of
parsing, I can step in the discussion.

I read your link on the S-transform. Yes, it could be very interesting to
test my data with this method. But I must already test older results from a
study with Fourier Transform. In literature, the wavelet transform with
morlet wavelet seems to be adequate to my project (Phase-Amplitude coupling
then cross-frequency coupling). So, I want finish with this method to have
my first result. But thank you, I keep it in a corner for later.

Best,
Arnaud

2014-04-23 11:22 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arnaud,

Hi Denis,
Thanks for the fast reply.

Yes I can share my test. Here:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11206945.

Thanks, will have a look later.

Ok, I will try to use single_trial_power() function now.

For the GUI, unfortunately, I must develop a ?biologists-friendly?
software. In consequence (and with others constraints), I must develop on
Windows and the GUI doesn?t work on Windows if I have correctly understood.

Which GUI? The MNE C GUI indeed compile on Windows. However,
`mne.gui.coregistration` in Python is supposed to work on Windows.

For my file format, I have already develop my own functions to parse
the original data (my goal: adapt raw signal to can use just the useful
data). This format can be ?CED Spike2 SMR files? or an alternative in TXT
from Local Field Potential acquisition. So, I store the data of a single
trial in a dictionary, then in a pickle file (maybe not a good idea?).

I agree. I would strongly encourage you to write a custom constructor
function that returns a Raw object from your data. We're happy assist you
with that Also it would be a great test case for new tools we're about to
develop that aim at making exactly this task easier. In fact I need to
write a couple of functions very soon that allow me to read in data stored
in Mat files. Sounds like that would follow the same logic.

I do this certainly with my personal way. For these reasons, I tried to
adapt the MNE-Python script to read my data. It seems not far yet! But I
don?t know if I can really add idea in your conversation due to these
specific data.

I think you can. See above. Also we're happy to add support to additional
EEG / electrophysiology formats.

Anyway, it seems that MNE contains all the tools what we need here. It?s

very encouraging yeah. But, I think we need time to know to use these tools.

Arnaud

FYI something I'm working on at the moment that might also be of interest
to you:

https://github.com/mne-tools/mne-python/pull/1233

Best,
Denis

2014-04-19 12:34 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arno,

let my reply inline,

Hi all,
I work on EEG data in behavioral field. I understand the basics of
signal processing and I?m not so bad in Python. But for a beginner like me,
MNE-Python is pretty huge. I was advised to use MNE knowing my constraints,
but I?m starting to think that it?s maybe too evolved for a non-expert
scientist in this field like me.

I?m just trying to draw a time-frequency PSD from a single trial with a

CWT (with morlet wavelets). I thought to have found what functions used,
but in testing my script, I don?t obtain correct result.

In fact, I tested with a simple sinusoid function with a frequency of
10Hz on 1sec (1000points). I expected to see a lot of "red blobs" aligned
on the 10Hz in y-axis but not. I have a continuous and very thin band
around 1.5 Hz and a residual band around the 90Hz. I looked the wavelets
and it seems fine. What is strange is that I see the correct number of
blob, so I think it?s not so far of correct result. In first, I thought of
a problem in adjusting my display, but it seems not.

Could you share an example script, e.g. using https://gist.github.com/
That would be very helpful.

I use mainly the function _time_frequency(data, Ws), one of the
functions in tfr.py in mne.time_frequency where data is a 2D-array
containing only my signal in data[0].

I read this link:
http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/stats/plot_cluster_1samp_test_time_frequency.html,
but as I don?t use data with the standard format, it seemed to me
complicated. Moreover, I think that _time_frequency(data, Ws) is just
needed to do what I want. And yet, maybe that the specificities of the
function single_trial_power in tfr.py is the solution?

In fact `single_trial_power` would be the way to go. (
http://martinos.org/mne/dev/generated/mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power.html#mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power
)
In general it's not recommended not use functions starting with
underscores unless you know exactly what you do. Things are much easier
once you use the top-level API. Is your file format that prevents you from
doing this? What kind of EEG data do you use? We're currently working on
improving support for custom data:

https://github.com/mne-tools/mne-python/issues/1229

Please feel free to participate in the discussion on Github and tell us
more about your use case.

Thanks in advance
Arnaud

I hope we can encourage you to keep exploring the new terrain :wink:

Denis

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I was playing a bit with you example and got reasonable results with a clear 10 hz modulation using the single trial tfr function.
I can share my edits later with you. Btw. why don't we meet at Neurospin at some point for lunch or a coffee --- maybe things are easier to tackle then.
For raw and epochs and evoked API take a look here:

http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/plot_from_raw_to_epochs_to_evoked.html

Best,
Denis

Ok, so I'm not far!
In fact, I think that what I see as "residual band" is the correct thing,
but not correctly align with the correct frequency in the y-axis. The high
power band in the bottom could be an artefact in the edge.
So, I'm interested by your edits.
Thank

2014-04-23 18:17 GMT+02:00 Denis A. Engemann <denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

I was playing a bit with you example and got reasonable results with a
clear 10 hz modulation using the single trial tfr function.
I can share my edits later with you. Btw. why don't we meet at Neurospin
at some point for lunch or a coffee --- maybe things are easier to tackle
then.
For raw and epochs and evoked API take a look here:

http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/plot_from_raw_to_epochs_to_evoked.html

Best,
Denis

Hi Denis,

I have tested with single_trial_power() but I obtain exactly the same
results that my use with _time_frequency(). Here is my code:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11215335. I don?t understand what the
problem is. With a sinusoid, I must have a band of high power around the
fundamental frequency of the sinusoid, right?

For the GUI, I don?t find documentation on the use with Windows. But ok,
I must compile the sources with the makefile. It?s been a long time that I
didn?t play with C! But I will try (I believe that I must download the
software Make to begin). But in fact, I don?t know why I spoke of GUI,
sorry. I think that I thought at a possibility to play with data directly
with a GUI in the way that I want.

I?m not sure to understand what you name ?Raw object?. Is it the name of
an existing object from MNE? But, with the knowledge of this object, I can
write a function which return this directly. My problem is that I?m not an
expert on the data and her format. But if it?s substantially a problem of
parsing, I can step in the discussion.

I read your link on the S-transform. Yes, it could be very interesting to
test my data with this method. But I must already test older results from a
study with Fourier Transform. In literature, the wavelet transform with
morlet wavelet seems to be adequate to my project (Phase-Amplitude coupling
then cross-frequency coupling). So, I want finish with this method to have
my first result. But thank you, I keep it in a corner for later.

Best,
Arnaud

2014-04-23 11:22 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arnaud,

Hi Denis,
Thanks for the fast reply.

Yes I can share my test. Here:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11206945.

Thanks, will have a look later.

Ok, I will try to use single_trial_power() function now.

For the GUI, unfortunately, I must develop a ?biologists-friendly?
software. In consequence (and with others constraints), I must develop on
Windows and the GUI doesn?t work on Windows if I have correctly understood.

Which GUI? The MNE C GUI indeed compile on Windows. However,
`mne.gui.coregistration` in Python is supposed to work on Windows.

For my file format, I have already develop my own functions to parse
the original data (my goal: adapt raw signal to can use just the useful
data). This format can be ?CED Spike2 SMR files? or an alternative in TXT
from Local Field Potential acquisition. So, I store the data of a single
trial in a dictionary, then in a pickle file (maybe not a good idea?).

I agree. I would strongly encourage you to write a custom constructor
function that returns a Raw object from your data. We're happy assist you
with that Also it would be a great test case for new tools we're about to
develop that aim at making exactly this task easier. In fact I need to
write a couple of functions very soon that allow me to read in data stored
in Mat files. Sounds like that would follow the same logic.

I do this certainly with my personal way. For these reasons, I tried to
adapt the MNE-Python script to read my data. It seems not far yet! But I
don?t know if I can really add idea in your conversation due to these
specific data.

I think you can. See above. Also we're happy to add support to additional
EEG / electrophysiology formats.

Anyway, it seems that MNE contains all the tools what we need here. It?s

very encouraging yeah. But, I think we need time to know to use these tools.

Arnaud

FYI something I'm working on at the moment that might also be of interest
to you:

https://github.com/mne-tools/mne-python/pull/1233

Best,
Denis

2014-04-19 12:34 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arno,

let my reply inline,

Hi all,
I work on EEG data in behavioral field. I understand the basics of
signal processing and I?m not so bad in Python. But for a beginner like me,
MNE-Python is pretty huge. I was advised to use MNE knowing my constraints,
but I?m starting to think that it?s maybe too evolved for a non-expert
scientist in this field like me.

I?m just trying to draw a time-frequency PSD from a single trial with

a CWT (with morlet wavelets). I thought to have found what functions used,
but in testing my script, I don?t obtain correct result.

In fact, I tested with a simple sinusoid function with a frequency of
10Hz on 1sec (1000points). I expected to see a lot of "red blobs" aligned
on the 10Hz in y-axis but not. I have a continuous and very thin band
around 1.5 Hz and a residual band around the 90Hz. I looked the wavelets
and it seems fine. What is strange is that I see the correct number of
blob, so I think it?s not so far of correct result. In first, I thought of
a problem in adjusting my display, but it seems not.

Could you share an example script, e.g. using https://gist.github.com/
That would be very helpful.

I use mainly the function _time_frequency(data, Ws), one of the
functions in tfr.py in mne.time_frequency where data is a 2D-array
containing only my signal in data[0].

I read this link:
http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/stats/plot_cluster_1samp_test_time_frequency.html,
but as I don?t use data with the standard format, it seemed to me
complicated. Moreover, I think that _time_frequency(data, Ws) is just
needed to do what I want. And yet, maybe that the specificities of the
function single_trial_power in tfr.py is the solution?

In fact `single_trial_power` would be the way to go. (
http://martinos.org/mne/dev/generated/mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power.html#mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power
)
In general it's not recommended not use functions starting with
underscores unless you know exactly what you do. Things are much easier
once you use the top-level API. Is your file format that prevents you from
doing this? What kind of EEG data do you use? We're currently working on
improving support for custom data:

ENH. default_info function · Issue #1229 · mne-tools/mne-python · GitHub

Please feel free to participate in the discussion on Github and tell us
more about your use case.

Thanks in advance
Arnaud

I hope we can encourage you to keep exploring the new terrain :wink:

Denis

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Hi Arnaud,

here's your example with my edits

https://gist.github.com/dengemann/11255522

Best,
Denis

Hi Denis,

Thank. In fact, you change the value of the number of cycles according to
fundamental frequency. It was my main problem (in fact, it's interesting to
see the problem with displaying some wavelets).
In consequence, I have correct results now, but it seems difficult to have
a really good resolution on my frequency band (1Hz to 130Hz)... If I
correctly understood, to improve this resolution, I must continue to find
better value for the number of cycles. But maybe that the CWT method has
his limits.

I focus on the adaptation of my particular data in "Raw object" and maybe
after, I will test with the S-transform.

Best,
Arnaud

2014-04-24 15:58 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arnaud,

here's your example with my edits

plot_tfr_example.py · GitHub

Best,
Denis

Ok, so I'm not far!
In fact, I think that what I see as "residual band" is the correct thing,
but not correctly align with the correct frequency in the y-axis. The high
power band in the bottom could be an artefact in the edge.
So, I'm interested by your edits.
Thank

2014-04-23 18:17 GMT+02:00 Denis A. Engemann <denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

I was playing a bit with you example and got reasonable results with a

clear 10 hz modulation using the single trial tfr function.
I can share my edits later with you. Btw. why don't we meet at Neurospin
at some point for lunch or a coffee --- maybe things are easier to tackle
then.
For raw and epochs and evoked API take a look here:

http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/plot_from_raw_to_epochs_to_evoked.html

Best,
Denis

Hi Denis,

I have tested with single_trial_power() but I obtain exactly the same
results that my use with _time_frequency(). Here is my code:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11215335. I don?t understand what
the problem is. With a sinusoid, I must have a band of high power around
the fundamental frequency of the sinusoid, right?

For the GUI, I don?t find documentation on the use with Windows. But
ok, I must compile the sources with the makefile. It?s been a long time
that I didn?t play with C! But I will try (I believe that I must download
the software Make to begin). But in fact, I don?t know why I spoke of GUI,
sorry. I think that I thought at a possibility to play with data directly
with a GUI in the way that I want.

I?m not sure to understand what you name ?Raw object?. Is it the name of
an existing object from MNE? But, with the knowledge of this object, I can
write a function which return this directly. My problem is that I?m not an
expert on the data and her format. But if it?s substantially a problem of
parsing, I can step in the discussion.

I read your link on the S-transform. Yes, it could be very interesting
to test my data with this method. But I must already test older results
from a study with Fourier Transform. In literature, the wavelet transform
with morlet wavelet seems to be adequate to my project (Phase-Amplitude
coupling then cross-frequency coupling). So, I want finish with this method
to have my first result. But thank you, I keep it in a corner for later.

Best,
Arnaud

2014-04-23 11:22 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arnaud,

Hi Denis,
Thanks for the fast reply.

Yes I can share my test. Here:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11206945.

Thanks, will have a look later.

Ok, I will try to use single_trial_power() function now.

For the GUI, unfortunately, I must develop a ?biologists-friendly?
software. In consequence (and with others constraints), I must develop on
Windows and the GUI doesn?t work on Windows if I have correctly understood.

Which GUI? The MNE C GUI indeed compile on Windows. However,
`mne.gui.coregistration` in Python is supposed to work on Windows.

For my file format, I have already develop my own functions to parse
the original data (my goal: adapt raw signal to can use just the useful
data). This format can be ?CED Spike2 SMR files? or an alternative in TXT
from Local Field Potential acquisition. So, I store the data of a single
trial in a dictionary, then in a pickle file (maybe not a good idea?).

I agree. I would strongly encourage you to write a custom constructor
function that returns a Raw object from your data. We're happy assist you
with that Also it would be a great test case for new tools we're about to
develop that aim at making exactly this task easier. In fact I need to
write a couple of functions very soon that allow me to read in data stored
in Mat files. Sounds like that would follow the same logic.

I do this certainly with my personal way. For these reasons, I tried
to adapt the MNE-Python script to read my data. It seems not far yet! But I
don?t know if I can really add idea in your conversation due to these
specific data.

I think you can. See above. Also we're happy to add support to
additional EEG / electrophysiology formats.

Anyway, it seems that MNE contains all the tools what we need here.

It?s very encouraging yeah. But, I think we need time to know to use these
tools.

Arnaud

FYI something I'm working on at the moment that might also be of
interest to you:

WIP/ENH: add Stockwell transform to time_frequency by dengemann · Pull Request #1233 · mne-tools/mne-python · GitHub

Best,
Denis

2014-04-19 12:34 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arno,

let my reply inline,

Hi all,
I work on EEG data in behavioral field. I understand the basics of
signal processing and I?m not so bad in Python. But for a beginner like me,
MNE-Python is pretty huge. I was advised to use MNE knowing my constraints,
but I?m starting to think that it?s maybe too evolved for a non-expert
scientist in this field like me.

I?m just trying to draw a time-frequency PSD from a single trial

with a CWT (with morlet wavelets). I thought to have found what functions
used, but in testing my script, I don?t obtain correct result.

In fact, I tested with a simple sinusoid function with a frequency
of 10Hz on 1sec (1000points). I expected to see a lot of "red blobs"
aligned on the 10Hz in y-axis but not. I have a continuous and very thin
band around 1.5 Hz and a residual band around the 90Hz. I looked the
wavelets and it seems fine. What is strange is that I see the correct
number of blob, so I think it?s not so far of correct result. In first, I
thought of a problem in adjusting my display, but it seems not.

Could you share an example script, e.g. using
https://gist.github.com/
That would be very helpful.

I use mainly the function _time_frequency(data, Ws), one of the
functions in tfr.py in mne.time_frequency where data is a 2D-array
containing only my signal in data[0].

I read this link:
http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/stats/plot_cluster_1samp_test_time_frequency.html,
but as I don?t use data with the standard format, it seemed to me
complicated. Moreover, I think that _time_frequency(data, Ws) is just
needed to do what I want. And yet, maybe that the specificities of the
function single_trial_power in tfr.py is the solution?

In fact `single_trial_power` would be the way to go. (
http://martinos.org/mne/dev/generated/mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power.html#mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power
)
In general it's not recommended not use functions starting with
underscores unless you know exactly what you do. Things are much easier
once you use the top-level API. Is your file format that prevents you from
doing this? What kind of EEG data do you use? We're currently working on
improving support for custom data:

ENH. default_info function · Issue #1229 · mne-tools/mne-python · GitHub

Please feel free to participate in the discussion on Github and tell
us more about your use case.

Thanks in advance
Arnaud

I hope we can encourage you to keep exploring the new terrain :wink:

Denis

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I obtain very good results with just only this linear function:

n_cycles = freqs.astype(float) / 1.6

I test with a signal composed by 3 sinusoids which contain distinct
fundamental frequencies (10Hz, 50Hz & 100Hz).

2014-04-28 11:06 GMT+02:00 Arnaud Ferre <arnaud.ferre.pro at gmail.com>:

Hi Denis,

Thank. In fact, you change the value of the number of cycles according to
fundamental frequency. It was my main problem (in fact, it's interesting to
see the problem with displaying some wavelets).
In consequence, I have correct results now, but it seems difficult to have
a really good resolution on my frequency band (1Hz to 130Hz)... If I
correctly understood, to improve this resolution, I must continue to find
better value for the number of cycles. But maybe that the CWT method has
his limits.

I focus on the adaptation of my particular data in "Raw object" and maybe
after, I will test with the S-transform.

Best,
Arnaud

2014-04-24 15:58 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arnaud,

here's your example with my edits

plot_tfr_example.py · GitHub

Best,
Denis

Ok, so I'm not far!
In fact, I think that what I see as "residual band" is the correct
thing, but not correctly align with the correct frequency in the y-axis.
The high power band in the bottom could be an artefact in the edge.
So, I'm interested by your edits.
Thank

2014-04-23 18:17 GMT+02:00 Denis A. Engemann <denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

I was playing a bit with you example and got reasonable results with a

clear 10 hz modulation using the single trial tfr function.
I can share my edits later with you. Btw. why don't we meet at
Neurospin at some point for lunch or a coffee --- maybe things are easier
to tackle then.
For raw and epochs and evoked API take a look here:

http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/plot_from_raw_to_epochs_to_evoked.html

Best,
Denis

Hi Denis,

I have tested with single_trial_power() but I obtain exactly the same
results that my use with _time_frequency(). Here is my code:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11215335. I don?t understand what
the problem is. With a sinusoid, I must have a band of high power around
the fundamental frequency of the sinusoid, right?

For the GUI, I don?t find documentation on the use with Windows. But
ok, I must compile the sources with the makefile. It?s been a long time
that I didn?t play with C! But I will try (I believe that I must download
the software Make to begin). But in fact, I don?t know why I spoke of GUI,
sorry. I think that I thought at a possibility to play with data directly
with a GUI in the way that I want.

I?m not sure to understand what you name ?Raw object?. Is it the name
of an existing object from MNE? But, with the knowledge of this object, I
can write a function which return this directly. My problem is that I?m not
an expert on the data and her format. But if it?s substantially a problem
of parsing, I can step in the discussion.

I read your link on the S-transform. Yes, it could be very interesting
to test my data with this method. But I must already test older results
from a study with Fourier Transform. In literature, the wavelet transform
with morlet wavelet seems to be adequate to my project (Phase-Amplitude
coupling then cross-frequency coupling). So, I want finish with this method
to have my first result. But thank you, I keep it in a corner for later.

Best,
Arnaud

2014-04-23 11:22 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arnaud,

Hi Denis,
Thanks for the fast reply.

Yes I can share my test. Here:
https://gist.github.com/arnaudferre/11206945.

Thanks, will have a look later.

Ok, I will try to use single_trial_power() function now.

For the GUI, unfortunately, I must develop a ?biologists-friendly?
software. In consequence (and with others constraints), I must develop on
Windows and the GUI doesn?t work on Windows if I have correctly understood.

Which GUI? The MNE C GUI indeed compile on Windows. However,
`mne.gui.coregistration` in Python is supposed to work on Windows.

For my file format, I have already develop my own functions to
parse the original data (my goal: adapt raw signal to can use just the
useful data). This format can be ?CED Spike2 SMR files? or an alternative
in TXT from Local Field Potential acquisition. So, I store the data of a
single trial in a dictionary, then in a pickle file (maybe not a good
idea?).

I agree. I would strongly encourage you to write a custom constructor
function that returns a Raw object from your data. We're happy assist you
with that Also it would be a great test case for new tools we're about to
develop that aim at making exactly this task easier. In fact I need to
write a couple of functions very soon that allow me to read in data stored
in Mat files. Sounds like that would follow the same logic.

I do this certainly with my personal way. For these reasons, I tried
to adapt the MNE-Python script to read my data. It seems not far yet! But I
don?t know if I can really add idea in your conversation due to these
specific data.

I think you can. See above. Also we're happy to add support to
additional EEG / electrophysiology formats.

Anyway, it seems that MNE contains all the tools what we need here.

It?s very encouraging yeah. But, I think we need time to know to use these
tools.

Arnaud

FYI something I'm working on at the moment that might also be of
interest to you:

WIP/ENH: add Stockwell transform to time_frequency by dengemann · Pull Request #1233 · mne-tools/mne-python · GitHub

Best,
Denis

2014-04-19 12:34 GMT+02:00 Denis-Alexander Engemann <
denis.engemann at gmail.com>:

Hi Arno,

let my reply inline,

Hi all,
I work on EEG data in behavioral field. I understand the basics of
signal processing and I?m not so bad in Python. But for a beginner like me,
MNE-Python is pretty huge. I was advised to use MNE knowing my constraints,
but I?m starting to think that it?s maybe too evolved for a non-expert
scientist in this field like me.

I?m just trying to draw a time-frequency PSD from a single trial

with a CWT (with morlet wavelets). I thought to have found what functions
used, but in testing my script, I don?t obtain correct result.

In fact, I tested with a simple sinusoid function with a frequency
of 10Hz on 1sec (1000points). I expected to see a lot of "red blobs"
aligned on the 10Hz in y-axis but not. I have a continuous and very thin
band around 1.5 Hz and a residual band around the 90Hz. I looked the
wavelets and it seems fine. What is strange is that I see the correct
number of blob, so I think it?s not so far of correct result. In first, I
thought of a problem in adjusting my display, but it seems not.

Could you share an example script, e.g. using
https://gist.github.com/
That would be very helpful.

I use mainly the function _time_frequency(data, Ws), one of the
functions in tfr.py in mne.time_frequency where data is a 2D-array
containing only my signal in data[0].

I read this link:
http://martinos.org/mne/stable/auto_examples/stats/plot_cluster_1samp_test_time_frequency.html,
but as I don?t use data with the standard format, it seemed to me
complicated. Moreover, I think that _time_frequency(data, Ws) is just
needed to do what I want. And yet, maybe that the specificities of the
function single_trial_power in tfr.py is the solution?

In fact `single_trial_power` would be the way to go. (
http://martinos.org/mne/dev/generated/mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power.html#mne.time_frequency.single_trial_power
)
In general it's not recommended not use functions starting with
underscores unless you know exactly what you do. Things are much easier
once you use the top-level API. Is your file format that prevents you from
doing this? What kind of EEG data do you use? We're currently working on
improving support for custom data:

ENH. default_info function · Issue #1229 · mne-tools/mne-python · GitHub

Please feel free to participate in the discussion on Github and tell
us more about your use case.

Thanks in advance
Arnaud

I hope we can encourage you to keep exploring the new terrain :wink:

Denis

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